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Otvorte novú tému pri stole noviniek

Archív noviniekUpraviť

Diskusie pri tomto stole staršie ako 30 dní (dátum poslednej reakcie) sú presúvané do archívu.

Our planUpraviť

If no large concerns are raised, we plan on deploying in the week of October 3, 2022. If your community would like to request more time to discuss the changes, hit the button and write to us. We can adjust the calendar.

Also, if you'd like ask our team anything, if you have questions, concerns, or additional thoughts, please ping me here or write on the talk page of the project. We will also gladly answer! See our FAQ. Thank you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (diskusia) 03:14, 22. september 2022 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]

@MNadzikiewicz (WMF): As I have written already, to me the skin has more disadvantages than advantages and I doubt I will use it as my default. The biggest drawback for me is the disorganized interwiki links: having the listed on the side in alphabetical order makes navigation very easy. Clicking on a drop-down menu with unintuitive ordering makes navigation a lot slower. I hardly use the table of content (much less frequently than interwikis). Has any research been done on this wiki? Did you look at the interwiki problem? If the new skin makes tool-scrolling 16% better but interwiki scrolling 60% worse (for example), I do not think the changes are worth it.--Jetam2 (diskusia) 06:54, 22. september 2022 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]
@Jetam2, thanks for the engagement! Let me ping @SGrabarczuk (WMF), as the person responsible for this. Cheers! MNadzikiewicz (WMF) (diskusia) 02:37, 23. september 2022 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]
Hi @Jetam2. Thank you for your comment.
  • We've been working on this skin since 2019; it's been the default on some wikis since 2020. Statistically, in its current state, it is a net improvement already. But there are some tradeoffs that won't work for everyone. We're still working on some details. On your side, currently, you may easily opt-out and never see the skin again. We won't disable Vector legacy. You may also switch back and forth between the skins. You can configure Vector 2022. So, there are many options, and you may change your mind whenever you want.
  • We've done research on a number of wikis, close to 30. These were small and big projects, Wikipedias and sister projects, LTR and RTL scripts - all the variety.
  • Regarding the language switching:
    • The primary goal for moving the list to a button at the top of the page was the problem of readers not knowing that interwiki exist. They would search, say, Carpathians in Slovak instead of going straight to sk:Karpaty. You can learn more about that on this page.
    • The sorting itself is, I admit, arbitrary. That's because there's no Universally Working Solution. Our colleagues, the Language team, have found out that this method is just good enough. In some cases, all you need to do is to type the language code in the language menu search widget, eg. pl or cs.
    • Based on a discussion with some members of the Russian and Ukrainian-language communities, we're considering three other options to keep the button but also make it easier for users like you. You can take part in the discussion here.
SGrabarczuk (WMF) (diskusia) 16:51, 23. september 2022 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]
@SGrabarczuk (WMF): I would be interested in knowing that the set up for interwiki links works. In my humble view, a list is definitely easier to spot than a button. After the skin became default here I wasted no time in setting it back. After white I forgot about it until the other day I was looking for something on a work computer. Eventhough I am a seasoned user and knew what to look for it took me around 2 seconds to find the interwiki button. How does that work for first time visitors? Are they actually clicking faster or finding the links faster?--Jetam2 (diskusia) 14:02, 18. november 2022 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]
@Jetam2, yes! It's not even about first-time visitors, but about occasional users, too. Most of them weren't even aware of the existence of interwiki links. Read more on the page about the feature, and see the user testing report. Languages are described almost at the end. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (diskusia) 16:36, 21. november 2022 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]
@SGrabarczuk (WMF): The study says „Almost all of the readers were unable to understand the purpose of the main menu section and did not find it to be relevant.“ (41) but does not elaborate. The report also says „Most of the readers could understand the terminology and concept of Languages. They were unaware that they had an option of changing the Language within the article.“ (80) Has this been solved by moving the language section and making it even more obscure? „Most of the readers who explored Languages were unaware about this feature and had not seen it before.“ Do they see it better now? The study was conducted only on English Wikipedia and in person in Pune, India. Perhaps there was other research done but a major global change should hardly be based on a local study like this. From the page you linked: „In July 2021, we moved the language button to a more convenient location at the top of the page. However, the results of our A/B test indicated that the new location of the button might be difficult to discover“. Over a year ago, there was an idea that the new location is a problem and there does not seem to be any new development since. Why should the language switching even be a button when you can have all the links displayed and seen within virtually no time. Why is there a need to hide the links and make users look for languages which considerably slows the process down?--Jetam2 (diskusia) 14:26, 22. november 2022 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]
Hey @Jetam2 — to recap and clarify, there are two separate challenges/goals here:
1) Help people discover interlanguage links
2) Help people find the specific interlanguage link they want
Regarding the first challenge/goal: the simple user testing we did (link) gave us initial confidence that a button at the top of the page (near the article title), is more discoverable than a list of links in the sidebar. People were able to find the button about three times faster than the list of links. Once we launched the feature we began collecting data from our pilot wikis for confirmation, however because people were switching between pilot wikis (Vector 2022), and non-pilot wikis (Legacy Vector), we were unable to get usable data (i.e. because the language links would move from one location to another). In other words, in the short term while some wikis were using Vector 2022 and others were using Legacy Vector we introduced some confusion about where language links were, which meant that any data was not useful. Now that Vector 2022 is deployed on most wikis we are going to circle back and collect usable data. If we find that the language links are less discoverable than they are in Legacy Vector we will revisit the styling of the button, and potentially the location. We've also sketched out other options, which you can see here:
Regarding the second challenge/goal: contrary to what @SGrabarczuk (WMF) said before, the order of the language links in the menu is not arbitrary. I am including the design rationale which was originally provided in this discussion (link) by @Pginer-WMF, who is the designer on the language team:
The language selector uses different clues to figure out which are the recommended languages. Although different factors are considered, those are prioritized. For example, top priority is based on the previous selections. That is, a user that frequently reads in French, Japanese and Igbo would get those always in their suggestions for pages available in those languages. Similarly, the browser languages are considered next if it was not possible to fill the suggestions with the previous criteria. Additional criteria can be considered in cases where it is hard to fill the suggestions because of the languages in which content is available (something which will vary significantly from page to page).
Some of the criteria based on location or relation to content may need some polishing in some cases (data is based on CLDR and can be improved). In any case, as mentioned above, for a user that speaks and uses a given set of languages, in practical terms the suggestions are going to surface those (even if some of the additional suggestions are sub-optimal at times). In contrast, with the classical approach of a flat list, a speaker of a language with low Wikipedia coverage would have to scan long lists of languages to find whether the content is available in theirs (which may not be in mosts cases), and they would have to do that every single time without the system making it easier after the first try.
More detail about the criteria for suggested languages is described in more detail here.
Does that help to clarify our thought process here? Please let me know what you think and if you have additional questions. Thanks, AHollender (WMF) (diskusia) 19:36, 22. november 2022 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]
@SGrabarczuk (WMF): Have you been able to collect the data you talked about earlier „Now that Vector 2022 is deployed on most wikis we are going to circle back and collect usable data.“? Thanks!--Jetam2 (diskusia) 21:54, 27. január 2023 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]
Hi @Jetam2, thanks for pinging me! Last week, we deployed Vector 2022 on English Wikipedia. Personally, I think this may be a game-changer. Since then, we have run some queries concerning enwiki specifically, but it's too soon to collect this particular data. This is because people are still getting accustomed to the new interface. So now, we mostly have data about things strictly related to the deployment, for example new accounts created mostly for the purpose of setting the old skin in preferences. (Looks like this is a number equivalent to the number of accounts normally created in about 4 days.) I will make a note to publish this in one project update, preferably. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (diskusia) 02:20, 28. január 2023 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]
@SGrabarczuk (WMF): Perhaps there is data now?--Jetam2 (diskusia) 08:15, 23. apríl 2023 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]
@SGrabarczuk (WMF): Any update? --Jetam2 (diskusia) 17:24, 30. máj 2023 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]

Elections Committee: Call for New MembersUpraviť

You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki.

Hello everyone,

The Wikimedia Foundation elections committee (Elections Committee) is, from today until April 24, seeking an additional 2–4 members to help facilitate the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustee (Board) selection process.

The 2024 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election is being planned. New members are invited to join the Elections Committee. The Elections Committee oversees the Board of Trustees community seat selection process. Join the committee and contribute your valuable skills and ideas to the Trustee selection process.

There are eight community- and affiliate-selected seats on the Wikimedia Foundation Board. The wider Wikimedia community votes for community members to occupy these seats. In 2024, the Elections Committee will oversee this selection process for the community- and affiliate-selected seats with expiring terms. This process will be supported by the Wikimedia Foundation.

Elections Committee members sign up for three-year terms and will be asked to sign a confidentiality agreement. Members can expect to contribute 2–5 hours per week before the selection process and 5–8 hours per week during the selection process.

As an Elections Committee member, you will be responsible for:

  • Attending online meetings between now and the next election (mid-2024)
  • Attending onboarding and online training in May–June 2023
  • Working with the Committee to fulfill its other responsibilities

New members should have the following qualities:

  • Fluency in English
  • Responsiveness to email collaboration
  • Knowledge of the movement and movement governance

If you would like to volunteer for this role, please submit your candidacy by April 24, 2023 23:59 AoE (Anywhere on Earth) on this Meta-Wiki page.

You can read the full announcement here. Thank you in advance for your interest! If you are not interested but know someone who might be, share this message with them. Please let me know if you have questions.

On behalf of the Elections Committee,

AAkhmedova (WMF) - 23:09, 14. apríl 2023 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]

Office hour of the CEE Hub (2 May 2023) and updates from the CEE HubUpraviť

Hello everyone,

We want to invite you to the third monthly office hour(s) that CEE Hub will organize, where you can learn more about newly formed regional hub, and what CEE Hub can help you and your communities. The third session will take place on Tuesday, May 2nd at 18:00 CEST time.

Open office hours are meant as a virtual space where anyone can talk to CEE Hub staff, ask questions, or discuss relevant CEE and Hub related topics. You can find a link on the following Meta page.

If you don`t have a time to come on our Office hour, you can read more about development of the CEE Hub on our News page.

We will be happy to see some of you.

The Signpost: 26 April 2023Upraviť

News, reports and features from the English Wikipedia's newspaper

Seeking volunteers for the next step in the Universal Code of Conduct processUpraviť


As follow-up to the message about the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines by Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Vice Chair, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, I am reaching out about the next steps. I want to bring your attention to the next stage of the Universal Code of Conduct process, which is forming a building committee for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C). I invite community members with experience and deep interest in community health and governance to nominate themselves to be part of the U4C building committee, which needs people who are:

  • Community members in good standing
  • Knowledgeable about movement community processes, such as, but not limited to, policy drafting, participatory decision making, and application of existing rules and policies on Wikimedia projects
  • Aware and appreciative of the diversity of the movement, such as, but not limited to, languages spoken, identity, geography, and project type
  • Committed to participate for the entire U4C Building Committee period from mid-May - December 2023
  • Comfortable with engaging in difficult, but productive conversations
  • Confidently able to communicate in English

The Building Committee shall consist of volunteer community members, affiliate board or staff, and Wikimedia Foundation staff.

The Universal Code of Conduct has been a process strengthened by the skills and knowledge of the community and I look forward to what the U4C Building Committee creates. If you are interested in joining the Building Committee, please either sign up on the Meta-Wiki page, or contact ucocproject by May 12, 2023. Read more on Meta-Wiki.

Best regards,

Xeno (WMF) 19:00, 26. apríl 2023 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]

The Signpost: 8 May 2023Upraviť

News about upcoming sessions and the CEE NewsletterUpraviť

Hello everyone,

CEE Hub has two major announcement for the upcoming week:

  • Next CEE Catch up – youth edition will take place on May 16th 2023, 18:00-19:00 CEST. Please register for the event using the following link. This meeting is a part of already established CEE Catch up concept. The goal of the meeting is to gather young CEE Wikimedians/Wikipedians (up to 26 years old) and people who are older than 26 and who are interested in learning about and from youth.
  • Learning session dedicated to Movement Strategy Implementation Grants, where you can learn how is the process for applying this type of grants, and to learn from first hand about two such funded initiatives in the CEE Region. This session will take place on May 17th 2023, 18:00-19:20 CEST. Please register for the event using the following link.

CEE Newsletter is back! You can wrote first renewed edition of the CEE Newsletter here.

Important remark: The CEE Newsletter is open for new members in the editorial team, so please show your interest by writing an email to the CEE Hub staff.

Reminder about registration and submissions for Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2023Upraviť

Dear all,

we would like to remind you about submission and registration deadlines for Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2023, which are approaching. If you haven’t registered and/or sent your submissions, there is still time to do so.

CEE Meeting is a place where we get a chance to share our learning and experience with the region and we are all looking forward to seeing many of you in this September in Tbilisi (Georgia).

If you want some assistance or advice from us, especially related to preparing your presentations, please contact CEE Hub, we will be happy to support you. ( and

Toni Ristovski, on behalf of the CEE Hub staff --MediaWiki message delivery (diskusia) 10:02, 17. máj 2023 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]

Dňa 15. až 17. septembra 2023 sa uskutoční stretnutie Wikimedia CEE (formálne komunitné zoskupenie pre strednú a východnú Európu) v Gruzínsku.

  • Registrácia príspevkov, pre učastníkov, ktorý chcú niečo prezentovať, je do konca mája 2023.
  • Registrácia tých, ktorý majú mať preplatené náklady je do konca mája 2023.
    • Je možnosť ísť ako delegát komunity, ktorému sa základné náklady na zúčastnenie akcia preplatia.
  • Registrácia pre ostatných, je do konca júla 2023.

Poznámka: Uvedené časy sú v CEST.

✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (diskusia) 12:37, 17. máj 2023 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]

Pre úplnosť píšem, že sa hlásime o reprezentáciu spolu s Arminom, dolaďujeme ešte príspevok.--Jetam2 (diskusia) 13:36, 17. máj 2023 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]
Inak je možnosť stať sa členom Steering Committee pre CEE Hub, viac info je na mete.--Jetam2 (diskusia) 19:00, 23. máj 2023 (UTC)Odpovědět[odpovedať]

The Signpost: 22 May 2023Upraviť

News, reports and features from the English Wikipedia's newspaper

Selection of the U4C Building CommitteeUpraviť

The next stage in the Universal Code of Conduct process is establishing a Building Committee to create the charter for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C). The Building Committee has been selected. Read about the members and the work ahead on Meta-wiki.

-- UCoC Project Team, 04:20, 27. máj 2023 (UTC)